Hans-Werner Braun -- 3 July 1992 -- B-I --------------------------------------- I assume many of you remember the days, so many years ago, when the IAB was a group working on behalf of DARPA to give them input on things happening and on future research. A prominent Task Force (there were no working groups then), was the Gateway and And DataStructure (GADS, I *think* I got the name right) Task Force, then chaired by Dave Mills. Gosh, when was that? 84-85ish? I attended only their last meeting, by invitation of Dave Mills. Quite small group then, 15 to 20 people or so. The GADS was just about to split into the IETF (after having called INENG first) and the INARC (Internet Architecture Task Force). The INENG/IETF was chaired by Mike Corrigan, INARC by Dave Mills, both reporting directly to the IAB, and both quite small (still 15-20 or so people then, as there was alot of people overlap). Why was the GADS split then? There is a serious and everlasting controversy about immediate engineering concerns, as well as long term, research and architecture. The GADS tended to not work efficiently in both areas. Possibly because there are too many shades of gray? So, INENG/IETF were still quite small and fit into a small conference room. I remember even Scott Brim and myself taking a bit of a risk dragging Milo into his first of such meeting (conveniently happening at SRI at that time), as it was quite an invitation-only group. At some time it became clear that DARPA had some domestic constituents for networking, particularly from the NSFNET, including regional networks. I remember that I (and may be others) had a bit of a hard time to convince the IETF to allow the NSFNET constituents to be represented. It finally resulted in a small group of people meeting with Mike Corrigan in the Pentagon to discuss the issue to allow for the broadening of the INENG/IETF. I think this included (besides Mike Corrigan) Mike St.Johns (then with DCA), Phill Gross (then Mike C.'s assistant on INENG/IETF matters), Scott Brim and myself. Sorry if I left someone out here, but if at all, it could only have been one or two people more. After all the discussion before, I was surprised at how easy of a meeting this was. Mike C. essential just said ok, fine, or something like that.